• SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Trump has only set a precedent for China. If the rest of the west doesn’t do shit about this, which they won’t, China will just follow Trumps playbook. Don’t be surprised when Xi will order the kidnapping of the Taiwanese president.

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      2 months ago

      China will just follow Trumps playbook.

      Why would they do that? His playbook is dumb and routinely backfires.

      Seems like they’re stick with their existing playbook as it has been far more successful

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      2 months ago

      Something like that will happen. The US is trying to ruin China’s oil imports - from Venezuela and Iran. China will need to show they are serious.

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      2 months ago

      China could never, ever pull this off

      First of all, the gap between the US military and Chinese military is massive. Keep in mind, until the Russia invaded Ukraine, it used to be the consensus second strongest military in the world, not China. The gap between the US and Russia is comically huge. China simply lacks the intelligence gathering capabilities and the air/navel superiority to project power like this.

      Second of all, Taiwan is not Venezuela. Venezuela is a poor, horribly mismanagement country led by an incompetent dictator. It’s relatively easy to pay off corrupt insiders to get them to work for you. It’s also much easier to find, target, and destroy military targets. That’s not true for Taiwan it is a wealthy, extremely managed country led by a democratic government full of qualified people. The Taiwanese government has been planning defense of their sovereignty for decades, and they’re pretty damn good at it.

      The point is that if China had the ability to do something like this then they would’ve already done, but they haven’t because they can’t.

    • optissima (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      Lmao what an insane whataboutism, akin to “the crazy screaming guy that stomps over the neighborhood just took another person hostage. So watch out for the quiet neighbor that has done nothing wrong for my entire life time, they’ll probably start taking hostages any minute too.”

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      2 months ago

      I love how American minds work. “We did a terrible thing, this is bad because China might do the same!!” Meanwhile China hasn’t dripped a bomb in decades.

      Fucking liberals.

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          2 months ago

          I’m a socialist, and I don’t give a fuck where you’re from. American Exceptionalism and Imperial Apologia doesn’t concern itself with your soil, just your words and actions.

          Sit down and shut up.

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    2 months ago

    China isn’t wrong.

    Hey, what about those Epstein files?

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      2 months ago

      The US has been scheming on taking Venezuela for at least two decades. But you are very smart for pointing out this action was a distraction from the pedo files.

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    2 months ago

    Like, I think what the US has done is illegal, but it’s pretty rich coming from the country of hostage diplomacy.

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    2 months ago

    Is it time to build an allie to stop Orange Hitler? Nah, let’s wait until he takes Greenland and Panama next.

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          2 months ago

          The US allied with the USSR to fight the Nazis.

          FDR allied with Stalin to fight the Nazis. As soon as Franky kicked it, his VP Truman pivoted into Cold War mode.

          Even before then, Red Scare politics in the US was rampant. Prescott Bush, Joe Kennedy, Henry Ford, The Dulles Brothers, Rockerfeller Jr, J. Edgar Hoover and a constellation of anti-communist interests agitated against the alliance with the Soviets from day one of the War.

          The real alliance was between the US and UK, with Russia functioning as cannon fodder to pull German troops off the Western Front. Nobody in the West believed Russia could survive a full mechanized invasion, much less repel the Germans and race Eisenhower to Berlin.

          The only US/China alliance Americans could stomach would be in similar terms, with the presumption that China would be hollowed out and inconsequential at the cessation of hostilities.

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            2 months ago

            I thought the premise was Europe making an alliance with China against the US…? It wouldn’t matter what Americans could stomach at that point.

            As an American, I think a de facto alliance with China is going to be forced upon us anyway (I really think Trump will let them take Taiwan, it just remains to be seen what he’ll ask for), and it will go down easier than attacking a European nation will (Greenland).

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            2 months ago

            Right, kind of an enemy of my enemy sort of thing. I could definitely see the same thing happening with China in some hypothetical scenarios

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      2 months ago

      point? this is about the US. an active terrorist state. other states can be bad too. in fact they all are. but your comment serves to distract from and therefore protect the US. why?