I strongly encourage everyone interested in this topic (and you should be!) to read the article because this shit runs deep and they see absolutely no problem approaching the law in this fashion. Absolutely disgusting erosion of liberty and privacy, though it’s not the least bit surprising. Here’s an excerpt i found particularly chilling–this cop is fully convinced (or acting as if he were) about the validity of this minimal-effort investigation they apparently were ready to arrest someone over. Note that weeks later it was fully disproven and ended with a terse email acknowledging that she provided enough proof to absolve herself as the suspect. No accountability for their mistake, just: “you can go now”
“You know we have cameras in that town. You can’t get a breath of fresh air in or out of that place without us knowing,” Milliman said to Elser, according to Ring doorbell footage of the Sept. 27 encounter viewed by The Colorado Sun.
“Just as an example, you’ve driven there about 20 times in the last month,” he added.
Along with the Flock footage, the sergeant told Elser he also had a video from the theft victim that allegedly showed Elser ringing the doorbell before grabbing a package and running away.
My favorite part
“I guess this is a shock to you, but I am telling you, this is a lock. One hundred percent. No doubt,” Milliman said.
😳
But Elser, a financial advisor, told the sergeant she had no idea what he was talking about. She asked several times to watch the video that Milliman insisted proved her guilt, but he refused to show her. And when Elser offered up footage from her Rivian’s onboard cameras to prove her innocence, Milliman said she could bring it to court.
“It doesn’t matter. I’ll be giving this all to you. If you are going to deny it to me, I am not going to help you with any courtesy,” Milliman said.
“It’s kind of funny because we have cameras on our truck, so we could show you exactly where we were,” Elser said.
We are really fucked here. No accountability on their end, while foisting 200% accountability on ours.
This reminds me of how police abuse any new tool they’re given.
Like how while trained dogs can actually sniff out drugs, when they’re given to police, they get retrained to simply alert whenever the police want them to, and essentially become a flimsy reason to let police violate your rights and search anybody they want to.
And the police suffer zero repercussions for their actions. If they don’t find drugs, there’s nobody who’s going to take them to court and force them to retrain their dogs or to disallow drug dogs from being used as reasonable suspicion.
Worth noting that Ring has announced a partnership with Flock.
So if you’re in the Ring ecosystem, maybe time to re-consider.
lol it’s literally an Amazon business. Should have been time to reconsider when Bezos loudly said that Ring footage can be used for anything they want.
She feared the impact a theft charge, though small, would have on her financial career.
Wild that a false accusation, after being proven as false at the court of law, can still impact one’s career.
because when they run a background check on you they see you were charged. and that’s all that matters. you are untouchable to most employers.
Yeah, that’s something that absolutely has to change. I don’t care if “career criminals get out of charges all the time”. A false charge should not follow you for the rest of your life.
Then again, I also believe that if you serve your time in prison and are released, you should not have a publicly searchable record that can be used to deny you opportunities. So take my opinion as you will
In my country, employers have low trust and expectations on their new hires (and therefore low wages and high turnover) so they ask anyone applying for work to show up with what’s called a “police clearance” and a “NBI clearance” (NBI = National Bureau of Investigation, a less-sophisticated developing country equivalent of the FBI) documents to make sure they’re not felons.
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No different to cancel culture
Everyone freaking out has forgotten: Do not talk to the police. Guilt is determined in court and anything you say, drumroll please, can be used against you. You will not talk your way out of getting arrested, shut the fuck up, and sort it out in court. The only person there to help you is your lawyer, the police are not there to help you.
Damn I use to love these guys videos. Taught me a lot over the years. Shut the fuck up when cops ask questions!
And america used to make fun of china for its surveillance, but I guess if you can’t beat them, join them
I didn’t make fun of China for being a surveillance state. I was terrified for the citizens for China being a surveillance state. Same with the UK.
The republicans took every shitty thing they said they hated about other countries like Russia, China and even North Korea and made those things goals.
Issue is, critique of those regimes started to be worded “tactically”, to make it seem those problems are unique to those systems, or even silenced completely, and at worst just inventing nonexistent problems of theirs. In Hungary, we no longer hear about arrest quotas of the secret police since 2014, the issue of the Hungarian youth under the communist regime of not being able to wear Levi jeans and Adidas shoes are exaggerated to comical degrees, but now we also have urban legends that the Rákosi and Kádár regimes wanting to implement stuff that are out of current day culture war bullshit.
AI is built on a reward system. Its sole reason for existence is to complete its task and get the reward points. It will create false information to do this. One AI that a lawyer “accidentally” used in court actually created its own 4-5 page court cases to use as citations to justify the case it was working on.
AI is a novelty and should NOT be in charge of any decision making or be admissible as evidence in any way.
This is the same reason police dogs shouldn’t be used.
Yep. Dogs have been used to manufacture probably cause for decades.
Only once have they ever been scientifically tested, and they failed… and shockingly, cops refused to participate in any future testings.
As the owner of a German shepherd who just REALLY wants to make friends and play with everyone she meets…it’s depressing how many people see a big cop dog and immediately walk away when she barks.
She wants to chase birds and lick your face to show affection, chasing and hurting people is taught just like racism in humans.
I’ve been bit, my friends have been bit, and I’ve seen children get bit by dogs that fit the exact same description. I don’t trust any fucking dog. Keep it on leash and keep it away from me and my family. Thank you. - cat gang
Why is she barking? Correct that behaviour and I bet 80% of people would stop treating you and your dog like a threat. If a dog barks at me, I leave. It tells me the owner hasn’t spent the time training them and that the dog doesn’t want me there.
Because she’s 6 months old and still learning to socialize, so people immediately turning and speeding away does not help. If people could suspend their judgement of someone as a threat long enough to recognize a puppy and let her say hello, then it’s completely fine but thank you for the training tips.
Once she realizes people don’t run away if she isn’t barking that should help. Good luck with your training.
AI also recently decided a bag of chips that a black kid had was a gun, and summoned a horde of cops on him.
an accident I doubt AI would make with a white kid, because AI gets all sorts of inherit biases from the data its fed… and whats more biased in law inforcement than how black people are treated vs white people.
*inherent
So because she is better off financially and is not worried about google tracking, she had all the cameras, GPS tracking, and everything set up to prove her innocence.
I decline all of that stuff and i would have a MUCH tougher time proving my innocence when wrongly accused like she was.
This is just another step towards fascism where police are charging people for crimes they never committed, based on AI and computers screwing up.
The root of the issue is allowing officer to lie in order to deprive people of thier rights.
He knew he had nothing, he was just trying to get a confession by saying it was a 100% lock. The cameras wouldn’t matter as much if lieing like that was illegal.
no matter the tools, cops remain as stupid and malicious as ever
I know she was acting to protect herself, but its too bad we couldn’t see this played out in court.
Everything about this is so messed up that the incompetent, lazy cop is the least surprising part.
Time to get a high power laser pointer and start taking out these cameras
In many instances, they are “rogue installations” aka trash left on the side of the road that no one owns now. Check with your municipality if they have an agreement for them. If they don’t, feel free to put them in the bin where they belong.
Welcome to the United States of America!
Lies, injustice and the North Korean way!
All hail Dear Leader!
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