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    • By forcing you to use a non-anonymous Google Account.
    • Then tying it with Google Play Services on that device.
    • Google Play Services are like a combo of arteries and nerves of Android OS.

    That’s how.

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    It bitches very often when you disable Google Pain Services.

    You can’t delete the 1GB malware either.

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    From a strictly privacy standpoint is an iPhone a better option for non-techy folks?

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      Looking just at location… Apple is actually better at location tracking precision than Google, and you can’t turn it off (even powering off your phone doesn’t shut it off). Disabling location services doesn’t prevent the data collection by Apple, it only blocks apps from using it.

      Apple is probably better at not sharing your data with others than Goolge, but that’s a position of faith, not fact. If you trust Apple and are diligent about blocking location access to 3rd party apps, it’s better. But you should expect that if you’re giving location access to a free app (like Google maps, a weather app, a ride share app, a streaming app, etc.), you can bet they are selling your location data.

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        The last time I read the Apple privacy policy it sounded like they pretty much collect everything and let themselves share this data with whoever they feel like.

        There was a lot of calming language, but it didn’t sound convincing to me.

        That being said, if you like the Apple ecosystem and UX, it’s a solid option.

        I personally believe their statements about privacy are nothing more than PR.

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          The only reason they dont share it with other apps, is because from a capitalist standing point, why the hell would you share information you want to sell?

          Them being the only one having access to a billion peoples location data is why they are the richest company.

          They very much do dell, and they very much share that data with the government they also pay a shitton of money in donations for ball rooms.

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            FWIW, from my last reading of their privacy policy, they openly stated that they do share PII with other companies who they consider to be their partners.

            They claim that they don’t share PII with third parties “for their marketing purposes”.

            That being said, you’re at the mercy of their definition of “partner” and interpretation of “for [the third party’s] marketing purposes”.

            I should honestly just re-read their privacy policy (and the same for Google and Meta).

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      i’d say so. i was a professional Android dev for years, and security and privacy are definitely one of the reasons i prefer iOS. i don’t have time to play with my phone so much for my personal device. Apple is the lesser of 2 evils since their business model doesn’t depend on this kind of tracking (even if they do it as well albeit to a lesser extent)

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        Their service line was growing much faster than hardware, it is a big part of their business. So their business model does depend on data collection.

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          You’re talking about services? That’s like Apple Music, TV, iCloud storage, etc. That’s different from Google scanning your emails to extract purchase information from order confirmations, logging all search activity, collecting data from third party websites that have Google code embedded in them, etc.

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            I am just curious, have you ever read Apple’s privacy policy?

            What makes you think they don’t log your searches?

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                So have you or have you not read the Apple privacy policy?

                Where did I say Apple has a search engine? I said Apple tracks and logs your searches.

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                  If you think there is something to cite in the privacy policy, go ahead and cite it. It’s not my job to make your argument for you.

                  In reality, I think you’re being deliberately obtuse because you want to defend Google’s business practices for some reason. You’re conflating the way Google collects sensitive user information for the purpose of advertising in every single one of its products, including from non-Google apps and webpages with some technicality around verbiage in a privacy policy, which you have not even cited yourself.

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      Yes, but Graphene is even better. The downside is that Graphene doesn’t currently support non-Google devices.

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    I have GrapheneOs installed which sandboxes any google bullshit needed for specific apps to run.